IEP039: How to Grow Your Business By Raising Your Soul Frequency with Shanna Lee

Brigit:                                                Welcome to the Intuitive Entrepreneur Podcast. I'm your host, Brigit Esselmont, intuitive business strategist and mentor. As a founder of Biddy Tarot, I turned my love for tarot into an abundant seven-figure business. The secret to my success? Making intuition and strategy my entrepreneurial super power, and now I'm inviting you to do the same. In this weekly podcast, I'll be sharing advice, tools and real-life examples from some of the best intuitive entrepreneurs to show you how you can trust your intuition, align with your purpose, and create a positive impact through your work. Let's make it happen.

Brigit:                                                Hello, and welcome back to the Intuitive Entrepreneur Podcast. Today I'm talking with Shanna Lee, who is an intuitive healer and celebrity manifestation coach. She's the number one best selling author of The Soul Frequency: Your Healthy, Awakened and Authentic Life, which we'll be talking a bit about today, and also the host of The Soul Frequency Show podcast. She's leading the conversation on raising your energy frequency and creating a life founded on truth and alignment. She's a speaker, businesswoman, and consultant to executives of Fortune 500 companies, celebrities, influencers and fashion industry experts.

Brigit:                                                Today, we talk about the role that intuition has played in Shanna's entrepreneurial journey and how it has led her to where she is now. I think you will really vibe with her path. It hasn't always been an easy one, but Shanna Lee has paid attention to the signs and followed her gut to come to where she is right now. We also talk about soul frequency and what it is that you can do, particularly as an intuitive entrepreneur, to raise your soul frequency, and also why it's important, because as our businesses grow, we too as people and as leaders need to grow, and it's important that we're paying attention to things like our energy, and our vibration, our frequency, and our conscious awareness. So I think you're going to really love today's conversation. It was super, super juicy. So let's get straight into it.

Brigit:                                                Well, welcome, Shanna Lee. It is so exciting to have you here. How are you doing today?

Shanna:                                                I am doing great. I'm so happy to be here with you.

Brigit:                                                Oh, I'm so excited about what we've got to talk about today. Oh, so many light bulbs going off, but first, I actually want to start with your journey and what has brought you to where you are right now, today.

Shanna:                                                So many things, right? Like all of us. I would say that I'm not one of those people who had a clear path. I didn't grow up thinking I want to be one thing, and I want to grow up and do something in particular. I have had a path that has felt like stepping stones. And now that I look back on it, it has felt like gathering information, gathering skill sets, gathering tools, at the time, seeming completely like, I don't know what I'm doing, and I don't know why I'm gathering these different tools, and I don't know how this is all going to come together, all to culminate in this moment where I'm utilizing all of myself in service of other people and to help other people.

Shanna:                                                And so I had a career that I started. I think I had kind of what they call the American Dream here, like just do really well in life, dot all your I's, cross all your T's, be successful, make money, get married, have two children, like the whole thing I think was my archetype of, I should move towards this. What that really came from was feeling not normal, feeling somewhat disconnected from that, but thinking that was the right way to live.

Shanna:                                                And so for much of my life, even though I, as a youngster could see multiple dimensions, I was born with two spirit guides, I had all of these experiences, but nobody else around me had them. And I really decided I'm going to sign up for normalcy and I'm going to live this dream. And so I built a life, and a successful life, and a successful business, and I started waking up by the time I was married, I had my little boy, and I had a really powerful experience of going, "I don't think I belong in this life." It was terrifying and scary, and especially when a lot of people felt like I had built a really good life. So I had a lot of support for keeping that going, and more and more, life was pulling me in another direction.

Shanna:                                                And so I started with eating better. I started with cleaning up my health. I started with learning about conscious living. I mean, I would be up googling at night, like I know many people do when they start kind of having an awakening experience. Through that was the reconnection with the gifts that I was born with, and the vantage point and the clarity that I had as a youngster that I had really given up because it didn't seem normal. As I started to step into that, it became clear that I needed to leave behind a lot of the life that I had built. I call it one of those pull the rug out from underneath you transformations that feels very abrupt and quick and touches many areas of life. As I stepped away from things that weren't in truth, I stepped into what was and I built my current business now, The Soul Frequency, from that experience and really had some profound experiences during that that kind of said, you're no longer going to live the way you did.

Shanna:                                                When I look at my life, it is so drastically different that it feels like two different lifetimes. It feels like having a born again experience. I don't know how else to explain it other than that, but it had me understand frequency and how we can live in different frequency patterns that really make life feel totally different. And so that's really where I am today is helping people understand that we can shift things, not just the outward things or the little things, but the very big principles that we live by.

Brigit:                                                It's interesting, because I've spoken with a number of entrepreneurs who followed a very similar journey where it's the same as my journey, you go ahead with what you think is the normal life and you create what you think is success, and everybody else looks at and goes, "Oh, look at you?" Success, right? Great paying job or climbing the corporate ladder, and so on, and yet, there's always that undercurrent of, I actually don't think this is it. I know I've got to go do something else." And everybody else might be looking at you making that leap of faith into something new thinking, "What is she doing? Like for me it was leaving a corporate job to go and be a tarot reader. Like, how insane is that? So what gave you the courage to say yes to your intuition and yes to this new path, even though this might have thought that it was a little bit crazy or wild or risky?

Shanna:                                                Well, I wouldn't say I felt courageous at all. I think I have a PhD in fear. I would say that if you had a visualization for it, it was more like being dragged while I was digging my heels into the sand into something else. That was my experience is that I was pretty much, for several years, resisting the heck out of everything and secretly researching and studying and looking at stuff, but saying, "I'm just going to keep this on the fringe of my life. I'm just going to do this at night when everyone else is sleeping, and continue to live my life." And so I did not go peacefully or quietly.

Shanna:                                                Life had its way of just taking things out of my reality. It was like the more I didn't listen, the more things were just being plucked out of my life, which made me feel very out of control. I was big on controlling my outcomes and controlling my environment, and as I started to feel like things are being pulled away from me, it was like the universe was saying, "If you aren't going to listen, we're going to create this happening anyways." And at a certain point, I was like, all this resistance is only making this worse, and it's only making it more painful.

Shanna:                                                And so I would love to be this pillar of courage at the beginning, but really, what I was learning was to confront all of this fear that had always been there under the surface. I don't think the fear was new, I think I was finally able to see it and was finally able to come up and to be transmuted and to be dealt with and to learn how to look at that. I think when we go through any transformation, it's really our ability to understand our fears, and understand our programming, and understand how we're going to have to look at that.

Shanna:                                                So it's not easy. It didn't feel good at the beginning at all. It was difficult, but there was always this feeling of, I can't not do it, which is a weird thing, I think. Don't you think it's kind of weird to make sense of that? Because on one hand, you're like, "I'm not going to do this. I'm not going in this direction," and on the other hand, you're like, "But I kind of have to." It's like your higher self is like, "You know you want to go, you know you want to do this."

Shanna:                                                So I think it was making sense of that, right? Like those two voices, the fear, the ego, and then your higher self kind of pulling you forward that really started bringing who I really was into my life, if that makes sense, like into my current reality. But yeah, it was a challenge at the beginning. I don't think the fear always leaves us, but I think we start to relate to it differently, and I think we start to listen to that higher voice more and more as time goes on, and be able to follow that. And so that was really a lot of my inner process in the beginning steps and stages of creating something different.

Brigit:                                                Well, I think it's really important for our listeners to know and understand this. It isn't that you just wake up one day and a guardian angel came to you and said, "Do this work, and it shall all work." There is all of that fear, and I really resonate too with, you can't not do it. It feels as if there is a sole purpose for me personally to my work, and I know that if I continue to ignore it or don't follow it through to its fullest potential, I feel like I'm doing a disservice to the universe and this bigger energy that surround us. So maybe you've had that similar feeling. I'm curious like once you finally let go of the resistance, what has the experience been like now where you are able to be fully expressed and fully in alignment with your purpose?

Shanna:                                                I mean, it's extraordinary. I don't like to be in fantasy land. It's not that life looks perfect, right? It's not about being perfect. It just feels aligned. It feels good. So even on days... Everybody has bad days or hard days, right? Everyone has things that go wrong or not the way you expected them to go. So all of that exists, it just doesn't feel as big for me. It doesn't feel like it takes me out. And I think that's when you are aligned at your very core, then you ride the waves of the lessons that life throws your way and you just keep moving forward because that alignment always calls you back to purpose and to staying on that line.

Shanna:                                                I think it also gave me a sense of adventure too that once I had this big shift in the frequency that I was living in, to realize that we can then always do that. There can be always new frequencies and vantage points that we can look through. I always equate this to like a 10-floor building. If you live on the first floor and you look out the window, you're going to see maybe the trunk of a tree and the sidewalk and people walking around. If you live on the 10th floor, you're going to see something totally different. You're going to see clouds, you might see other high rise buildings, but your vantage point is completely different. You couldn't tell the person on the first floor and the 10th floor that they live in the same place, really, if they were just looking out that window.

Shanna:                                                And so when we change our frequency and when I changed my frequency, it's like life looks so different, and therefore, you relate to everything completely differently. Now I relate to things that happen or fears that happen as like, oh, I'm going to go to the next level, I'm going to learn something new, I'm going to expand in a new way. It's almost like, oh, it's going to feel so good after I move through this. Where before in my life, if I came up against a fear, or I was going to step out of my comfort zone, it just felt like certain death. It felt like, "I can't do this. Who am I to think I can do this?" And so I would back away from it.

Shanna:                                                So I would just say that it moves you forward in a way that feels productive and good, and ultimately, I think we desire, more than anything, to feel aligned inside of ourselves, to be doing something that feels good to us. And then it's worth it to go through all the things that life presents to us, right? It starts to feel like not worth it when we're doing something that we ultimately, at our core, don't feel good about. And so then all the things that you go through in life that are normal things, it's like, I call it throwing wool blankets on your back, like you just have 50 wool blankets on your back, and eventually, you can't stand up anymore. It just feels like it's breaking you down.

Shanna:                                                So that's probably one of the major vantage point changes that helps move me forward now. And I truly love connecting with people on a very, very deep level. I was always that person that people said, "Oh, she's so deep. She's so deep." Like that's a horrible thing, right? Like, "You always want to talk about all the serious stuff." And so I always felt like, "Gosh, I need to temper my desire to connect on a deep level." I'm a horrible surface level person. I do not like cocktail time talk, right? I'm just not good at it. I'm so awkward and weird. I don't know how to have a surface level conversation. So all my life, I go to places, even places where most people are having surface conversations, and there's going to be the one person in the room that's telling me their whole life story, because that's just who I am.

Shanna:                                                And so now I get to engage in that depth of conversation on a daily basis that feeds my soul. I would do it for free, I love it. So to be able to do that as your vocation and mission just feel so good.

Brigit:                                                Yes, yes. Yeah, I'd love to explore the idea of the soul frequency and elevating that happens as an entrepreneur, because I can tell you, throughout my own entrepreneurial journey, I've had many times where perhaps I've wanted to grow my business a certain level, and then I've found that I need to change to a certain level in order to help my business grow. Or I might even get a bit of success with growing the business, but if I haven't upgraded my frequency or vibration, everything gets very hard. So I'd be keen to understand your perspective from the role that soul frequency plays, particularly for intuitive entrepreneurs who are more open and sensitive to these things.

Shanna:                                                Yeah. So your soul frequency is your energetic fingerprint, right? It's the energy that you are in truth, it's your unique energy, nobody else has it. And when we start to get to know our energy, it's an important part of understanding how we build any business or how we do anything in life. I always say, business development is personal development, personal development is business... You cannot pull these apart, especially if you are your own brand. I mean, those are inextricably tied together.

Shanna:                                                So your business isn't going to grow without you growing and vice versa. And so it really becomes a relationship to always looking back into yourself and saying, "Where are my limited perceptions? Where am I limited?" Whether it's a leader in the way you lead your team, in the way you are resisting having a team maybe because you are afraid of how you're going to lead. I mean, there's so many reasons why people don't grow their business. A lot of the people I coach, sometimes they don't want to grow to a certain place because they're unsure of how they're going to manage that, "I don't know if I can lead these people or this amount of people or be good at it. And so I'm going to stay playing smaller because I'm going to have to confront that within myself."

Shanna:                                                So you're exactly right in the sense that whenever you feel like resistance to growth, either in yourself or in your business, you just want to go, "Okay, what am I bumping up against here that I need to look at to expand into that new frequency?" And I happen to believe that we always bump up against something first. I think that that's part of growth, is like not being aware of something that's in the way, then becoming really aware of that like, "Oh, this in me needs to shift or change," then having some time toiling with that, and then getting very present to the point of pain like, "Oh, my gosh, I better change in this way." Because if we don't feel some sort of pain around it, we typically are not going to show up to what needs to be changed because we just don't care. We don't feel any pain around it.

Shanna:                                                So pain is like, to me, just an indicator of this thing is expanding to where it needs to burst and let you walk through to the other side. It's like stepping over the threshold. So I think our relationship to pain as human beings is, I feel pain, I should back off, right? I should get away from that immediately. And I think pain is like, "Oh, let me see what happens when I step right in the middle of this, or feel the feelings I need to feel." I mean, so much of what I see in my practice is like we just resist feeling the feelings we need to feel, whether that is fear, whether that is sadness, whether it's grief. I mean, there are reasons beyond just ourselves that we don't step into things. There can be familial belief sets. There can be things that come through our DNA like things in our lineage that caused us to have certain limitations with ourselves.

Shanna:                                                And so to really not only explore ourselves, but explore the environment we grew up in, where we came from, like looking back at our ancestors, what did they believe about themselves? And could I be taking on some of that energy? And I got to tell you, I have had the most tremendous shifts happen in my practice when I'm intuitively looking back and saying, "This person is struggling in this one area, and it's not even theirs," meaning it's coming from like their maternal grandmother, and I came through their mother, and then it came to them. And when I say to them, "Here's what you're doing, and it doesn't even trace back to your childhood. It's not even yours," and when I say that, it's like immediately the energy shifts like, "Oh, what am I carrying this around for? This isn't even mine."

Shanna:                                                And so we have to look at that stuff as entrepreneurs. I think, especially in a conscious space for being an intuitive entrepreneur, I don't think you're going to grow without diving into some of that.

Brigit:                                                Oh, I feel so expansive, because I think oftentimes as entrepreneurs, you're taught, "Okay, you must learn the latest strategies and tactics. And if you do these, you'll have lots and lots of success. Hurrah," but really, there is so much happening on a much deeper level that needs to transform and shift. And even if it's just at one level of personal awareness and being aware of your limiting beliefs, or it's starting to embrace more of the ancestral line, I think the more that we can expand our awareness around who we are as entrepreneurs, oh, infinite potential in terms of what it is that we can create. I think it's absolutely beautiful.

Brigit:                                                It's interesting I'm seeing more and more the concept of the ancestral lines coming into play. I haven't come across it from an entrepreneurial perspective, but I'm so interested and intrigued in seeing how it connects in with that. How can one know if that is something that is relevant to the business journey?

Shanna:                                                Well, so I'll just explain how I see how my gift works or my intuition works to kind of paint the picture of this. It's interesting when I first started seeing it the way I see it now. It was fascinating to me because what I saw was that nothing is linear or makes logical sense. So the things that we go to, like when you say, if I said to you, how are you going to build an amazing business as an entrepreneur? A lot of people will go to the very linear mental plane and say, "I'm going to figure out opt ins, or I'm going to figure out how to build the right website, convert leads," whatever that they think are business strategies.

Shanna:                                                But what I started seeing is the things that are affecting us are there's like these energetic lines, they look like strings. It's almost like the inside of a computer in a weird way, but the strings go back to events where we made up choices about ourselves or decisions about ourselves from things that happened, and then there are strings that go back to our lineage, like this started with your grandmother and who she was being relationship. And because of environment and her DNA, it kind of got transferred to your mother, and then transferred to you.

Shanna:                                                Each one of us has the choice to break the lineage, to break that patterning system by the inner work that we do. When we dissipate the energy, we dissipate that energy for the generations going forward in our family, and also you could say, in the collective. The more of us that do that, it's going to transfer out to the collective, but it's never what you think it is. So oftentimes, in session, when I start seeing these things, I would talk to people about things and they would kind of have a blank look on their face going like, "What are we talking about here? Why are we talking about this?" And I would say to them, "It doesn't make any sense. I understand that. Just let's go down this rabbit hole of information, because it's going to shift the thing you want to shift in current day."

Shanna:                                                And so imagine how challenging that is. The one thing that's going to actually shift what's going on for us right now, it doesn't make any sense to the logical mind. We're not even looking there. And so that was a big awareness for me, that healing is multidimensional and it's multifactorial, and it's not linear, right? So I say to people, the more we can drop the idea of A plus B equals C, the more we can actually go on the journey of the healing.

Shanna:                                                So sometimes in certain healing modalities, you might feel more pain before you feel more relief. When I was talking about changing my life, I was feeling more pain than I was prior to feel the relief in the future. And so I think we want to run from the entrepreneurial journey when we feel the pain or the stretch or the difficulty at the beginning. We need to understand that as part of the healing journey, whether we are healing to speak our message into the world, whether we are healing our minds or bodies or spirits as we're starting to build this entrepreneurial journey, because a lot of times that goes hand in hand, but when you start to get into seeing where the frequency of these things are happening for people and the energy line that needs to be dissipated, I don't know how to tell someone to do it, you know what I mean, other than the way that I am able to see it, because again, it's not logical.

Shanna:                                                But as you start to become aware of things, I think... People talk about awareness all the time, but we don't really understand what awareness does, because you have programming just like a computer. And when not programming is not in your awareness field, it is running the show unbeknownst to you, right? So as we start to become more aware, which as you raise your frequency, you're going to become more aware of more stuff on a collective level and an individual level, then as you start to see it, you start to dissipate the line. The second I can show somebody something, that line of energy that I see starts to break up.

Shanna:                                                So just by becoming aware of it, we have this culture that we got to do something, "I got to do something about this," just becoming aware of it starts to break up the patterning. And so the more we can get curious, which I love the word curious, about our new awarenesses, and the more we think about them, and the more we allow ourselves to feel the feelings around them, that's going to start to release some of that energy.

Shanna:                                                So I think sometimes we become aware, and then we go, "Oh, okay, I'm aware of that now," but we don't go, "Huh, what does that really mean? Let me look into that." Or, "Oh, I have sadness that I became aware of this, or I have anger that I became aware of this." Those emotions need to be felt. They've been in you for a long time, they just need to be felt. And so curiosity can take you pretty far in life on your own, but also just getting out of the construct that you're going to mentally figure it all out, right? It is not A plus B equals C. And if you can subscribe to that and let go of, hey, maybe this is not all linear, then other information consciousness, frequencies of information can come in. They have room to come in.

Brigit:                                                Yes, I think taking away that need to figure stuff out can create a lot of spaciousness, I guess for, I don't know, that more expansive energy that will take your awareness and consciousness to a much higher level. I'm guilty of trying to figure stuff out. My brain can work on overdrive. I'll grab a problem., I'll sit there, be like stewing over it, and I don't get to a solution. But it's when I go for a walk, I have a shower, my brain just settles down, and then I'm like, "Oh, why didn't I think of that?" It just starts to come in.

Shanna:                                                Exactly.

Brigit:                                                Yeah. So I'm curious, how else can we raise our soul frequency? Is it a thing that we can do? Are there things, activities we can do? Or how does it work?

Shanna:                                                Well, I actually see it more as a subtraction equation than an addition equation. So we talk a lot about raising your frequency. I think our frequencies are really high naturally in our most natural state. And really it's looking at, like when somebody, a sculptor, chisels away everything that is not the sculpture, that's how we need to look at frequency. So we want to look at what is not in truth and start to allow the areas in our life that don't feel like truth. And they may have felt like truth 10 years ago, but maybe they don't today. What feels like nails on a chalkboard in your life? It kind of scratches you the wrong way. These are all indicators we have of things that might not belong in our reality at this time, and it takes courage, right? It takes moving through fear to release things.

Shanna:                                                We want to add things on like crazy. Our culture likes to just buy more, do more add things on. So much easier to add things on than it feels to release things. And yet, as you start to release the things that hold you in a lower frequency, either by the emotions you're experiencing, or the belief sets that you have, then your frequency starts to be more expansive. It starts to tap into infinite potential and possibility, and you start to feel that expansiveness. And so it's super important to look at it as what needs to go rather than what do I need to add to be better or raise my frequency. It's just, what isn't in truth?

Shanna:                                                One of the things, after coaching so many people, that I firmly believe holds us in a frequency that doesn't feel good or resonant to us, is the people that love us the most. I developed this tool called The Alignment Conversation after talking to client after client, and really talking about how to have powerful conversations with the people that we love to get them on board with who we're becoming in the world, because change is hard for people and sometimes we got to talk to the people we love and say, "I want to communicate differently, or I want to start my own business, or I want to do something different," and it triggers fear in other people.

Shanna:                                                So not only are you feeling a little fearful, but now you've triggered fear in the people that love you the most. Like your tribe, your world of people, is now triggered, and us as human beings, we need to feel like we belong to the tribe. So if we feel like we're going to get kicked out of the tribe for doing something different, we will back down so fast as human beings. It's very few human beings that will just kick their way out of the tribe and be like, "I don't care what you guys think or feel. I'm just going to go out on my own into the desert, into the unknown, into my fear, and just hope that it all works out."

Shanna:                                                So I created this tool, you can get it for free, it's at thesoulfrequency.com/alignment, that teaches people a blueprint of seven steps to communicating, whether you're in an argument with somebody, whether you want to do something different in your career, whether it's you want to tell someone, "Hey, I'm having a spiritual awakening and things are going to look different for me," just all those conversations that you feel nervous about, that are hard to maybe have, because the people that love you the most sometimes hold you in a certain frequency. And so those relationships have to transform, they have to evolve, and we have to allow space for that.

Shanna:                                                I find that people get to the point where they don't say anything for so long that when they finally come to have the conversation, it's like, "Look, I'm going to change my life, and you can't do anything about it." You got to be like, "I'm throwing the whole kitchen sink in here because I waited so long." And then of course, the other people are like, "What is going on with you?" And it just sets off on this foot that feels very combative instead of, "How can we create a possibility and a future together that doesn't scare you, but allows me to grow and maybe you grow too in the process?"

Shanna:                                                And so I also do like a free training when you get the PDF to really take you through each step and why it's important, and that's been really beneficial to my clients, because we resonate with people. We exchange energy with everyone in our environment. So if we're exchanging energy with people that are holding you, and they need to see you a certain way, and they need you to be who they think you are, it's going to be really hard to grow and step into your mission and grow your business. And so, one of the keys I also say on the flip side of that is getting around people that feel expansive, because you will exchange energy with those people. You can't help it. You will naturally start to vibe with them, you will start to get ideas. So changing who we're around is a really big part of changing our energy.

Brigit:                                                And I think it's a really valuable tool that you've put together, so it's soulfrequency.com/alignment. I think it's really valuable because I think of, say, within our Biddy Tarot community, there are so many people who are feeling held back because their partner doesn't support them. They think that what they're doing is just silly or frivolous, so like, how do you even believe in the tarot cards? And to have the tools and the resources available to have more empowering conversations, that respect and honor both parties, because I think that's the really important piece here. It's not just coming in, saying, "Well, I'm doing this. So you just have to suck it up," but it's more about meeting in the middle and creating a shared understanding and shared respect. So it's great that you put together that tool [inaudible 00:32:33] very helpful.

Brigit:                                                One thing I wanted to talk about, and something that you talk about, is this soul sucking trap of perfectionism. I know that I've been a little bit guilty of that one. So tell me what is it, and then how can we move through this?

Shanna:                                                So yeah, I have too. I talk about in my book, The Soul Frequency, a lot like perfectionism because so much of my life, I managed my feelings with perfectionism. So there's always emotions underneath perfectionism. It can be stress, it can be sadness, it could be anger, but we become so adept at managing our environment in a certain way, so that we can feel good. Ultimately, if you're a perfectionist, you feel good when things are going perfectly, right? So we always are wanting to find homeostasis and balance and feeling good. When you're a perfectionist and things are not going good, you feel awful, right?

Shanna:                                                So it comes down to the emotional plane. When I'm looking to somebody, the emotional plane is where we manifest from. So if we aren't experiencing our emotions fully, having the full range of the bell curve of emotions, emotions are a bell curve. And if you've ever been around a toddler or had a toddler, they do the bell curve. So they have not been socialized out of the bell curve. So when they feel upset that they can't have a certain toy, they will start up over the bell curve, they'll yell, they'll scream, they'll throw themselves on the floor, they'll make a whole big scene. They don't care if they're at the grocery store, they don't care if people are watching. They do this whole thing, they come up over the top, and then they'll come down the other side, and they'll pop up like nothing even happened. What happens is usually the adult watching that is kind of like, "Oh, my gosh, that was so much. That was a lot to handle." The kid is totally fine. The kid's like, "Okay, I'm done. Let's go play, or let's go eat, or whatever."

Shanna:                                                And so that's our natural emotional arc. By the time we get to be four or five, we start to be socialized, like don't cry, don't carry on, don't do this, don't feel that, and we start to stop having that full emotional bell curve, and those emotions get stored in our body as energy, and that emotional energy is very powerful. As we start to get older, we shut down or quiet or lessen our emotions. We just have learned to do it. We don't even think about it. And so when that is cut off on that plane, we cut off our ability to create in the world because we're somewhat fearful of really feeling our emotions.

Shanna:                                                And so perfectionism is a wonderful tool to not have to feel all of the stored emotions in our body. If I can keep it looking perfect, if I can keep it all together, that I don't have to feel my feelings about life. So to move through perfectionism, we want to start opening up that emotional center. We want to start feeling our feelings. And when I say to people, we resist our feelings. If you're driving in the car and you have makeup on or something and you start tearing up, you're going to be like, "No, I can't cry right now. I can cry right now." I mean, we do it all the time, "It's just not the place or time to have a breakdown."

Shanna:                                                So we temper our emotions. And we want to just give ourselves room to feel them is the beginning of stopping the perfectionism cycle for good, is what am I feeling when I'm rushing around? You know sometimes when you're in massive perfectionistic mode. When you start doing that, it's like, what am I feeling beneath this? What is driving this desire?

Shanna:                                                I'm a perfectionist, and I will always somewhat identify with that, but what I do is I leave little mistakes here and there in the work that I do on purpose. So there's like a spelling mistake in my book. There's spelling mistakes in different things or grammar mistake, and I do it on purpose to break up the energy. I'm like, "I am going to purposely not need to get this perfect." I will stop myself before I get to that point just because it breaks up the energy around it.

Shanna:                                                Now, I had decades of training myself to be a perfectionist, so that doesn't go away overnight, but we can start to play with that energy. And I always ask myself, what am I feeling? What is driving the behavior? Maybe I just need to go on a walk and have a cry because it's stressful, or maybe I'm mad about something totally unrelated to my business sometimes, but I just need to go, like I go and sometimes out in nature and I'll just vocalize with my throat or yell at a... Trees are amazing. Trees will take that energy, that anger, and transmute it. So you can yell at a tree with the intention of, I want to move anger out of my body.

Shanna:                                                Anger will cause physical ailments more than any other emotion, and women are angry, and women are repressed in their anger because we're socialized to be sad. It's okay for women to cry. It's certainly not okay for us. There's all kinds of words we say about women that are angry. Men are allowed to be angry, but they're not allowed to cry. So when a man feels sad, he goes to anger. He bypasses tears most of the time and just goes to, "I'm mad. I'm pissed about," and women, we bypass anger and we go to sadness.

Shanna:                                                So part of coming back online in entrepreneurship and being fully present in your business is feeling all your feelings around it and owning those feelings. And when they come up, when we leave room for them to come up, like we say, "You know what, I'm going to invite my feelings up," and when they come up, if you dive right in the center of them instead of resisting them, I call it like you're diving off the diving board into the center of that emotion, which is the pool, that emotion energetically will blow out the other side. It will dissipate. When we act like it's not there, it continues to build strength, it continues to become bigger in our field.

Shanna:                                                So the key is, feel what you're feeling, get right in the center of it, feel it fully, and you'll feel yourself come on out the other side of it. That opens up what you're able to manifest in your business and in your life in a really, really big way. If you can look at the emotional plane, you are light years ahead of where the frequency that most people are living at.

Brigit:                                                I love it. So powerful. This is all part of your book, The Soul Frequency. So actually, where can people find your book? Where's the best place?

Shanna:                                                Amazon. It's on Amazon. We have an audio book as well, Kindle edition and paperback there.

Brigit:                                                Yeah, awesome. So it's called Soul Frequency: Your Healthy, Awakened and Authentic Life by Shanna Lee.

Brigit:                                                Oh, this is so good. I'm absolutely loving it. I love this conversation around bringing more of the emotional self into the entrepreneurial world, not just so that we can express our feelings and what have you, but so that we can create success as intuitive entrepreneurs. I think this is really critical and powerful stuff that we can all integrate into our business. So I'm curious about what's coming up for you over the next 12 months in your business?

Shanna:                                                Oh, goodness. We have a program called The Soul Frequency Experience, which is a live program over Zoom that we do. So we're going to be launching that again in the fall, I think in September, and it's an opportunity to go through the transformation process that's in the book, live with other people. So we raise the vibration of the group, and we connect the energy of the group members together, and there are just some incredible experiences in that group. And so we set some really powerful intentions together and we start to break through some of those energetic ties. So it's really an awesome experience. For people that have read the book, to then be able... It's like the practical application of the tools. You read it and you get it in the mental plane, then you get to actually feel what it feels like for your frequency to shift. It's pretty profound.

Brigit:                                                That sounds awesome. Because I'm often guilty of reading a book and then moving on to the next book, reading without much spaciousness to really implement it. And it's really only when you do get into the implementation that will happen the effect. So that sounds like an amazing experience.

Brigit:                                                Now, as you're stepping into 2020, which I think is just going to be a really powerful year, tell me a little bit more about what part of yourself you are expressing in this year. What part of yourself do you feel is coming out?

Shanna:                                                Oh, gosh, that's such a good question. I would say that there is a part of me that really likes to hide. So I, throughout my life in different ways, felt very comfortable kind of pushing other people in front of me, but really being the mastermind behind how things go. So even in my business, I have helped people go from absolutely no concept of their purpose to literally building an entire company and hiring up. It's like I've run the whole thing, but I'm not really having to stand out there in front. And so what's going on in my business, it's just a lot more visibility than I think that I've had ever in any of my businesses. And I've had a lot of success with lower visibility of really putting my face or name out there. And so it feels that I'm being called up more and more to more of that.

Shanna:                                                I think a lot of people share that visibility is challenging for them in different ways, but I think one of the things as an entrepreneur is understanding where that comes from. A lot of it is lineage stuff, so people that have certain gifts weren't exactly celebrated for those in our lineage. And so it's clearing a lot of that line, and it feels like... One of the recommendations I can say that I've experienced is feeling the humanity and the love in everyone that you connect with. Meaning, I guess we would fear visibility because it feels like it might not go good, or someone's not going to love you or like you or connect with you or understand you. I think that goes on a lot when people are building businesses. But when you can see you in the eyes of another and see their heart and soul in our oneness, then you start to go, "Oh, there's nothing but love out there. The more people I connect with, the more love I get to experience."

Shanna:                                                And so that's really been my journey is like there's only more love. And even if your ego or fear tells you otherwise, you just look for the love in the eyes of another and you continue to move forward and to expand.

Brigit:                                                That's beautiful. I'd be interested to then... Obviously as your reach gets bigger, your thoughts, your message, the clarity of your message gets more clearer, you will also have others who will not be in alignment or in connection with that. So tell me how this love play out when someone says, "You're full of it," or, "I don't like what you're saying." They obviously use different words, but how does love play through that?

Shanna:                                                Well, I mean, I actually see it as like the floors of the building. So if you're living, let's say, on the eighth floor of the building and the first floor of the building is really cyclical patterns, so when people are on the first floor of the building, it's like they're riding the merry-go-round and they're going around and around and around in cyclical patterns, and sometimes they're yelling at people off of that merry-go-round, but it really extends from their own frustration of being on that merry-go-round. And so when you're sitting there at the eighth floor of the building and you're watching that go on, you can have compassion for what it is to ride that merry-go-round and not know how to get off, not know how to create anything different in your life.

Shanna:                                                And so where I live at, that doesn't even faze me. I just recognize it for what it is and I say, "I don't need to take that energy into my heart." I think sometimes we think, especially as empathetic people, that everything that someone dishes out, you have to accept that in, you have to wonder if it's true, you have to toil with that. I give people permission all the time in my practice and like, you don't have to take anything into your heart space. Do you know that you can actually send that energy right back to that person? Like, this has nothing to do with me. How you see me has very little to do with me, has a lot to do with the lenses that you're looking through.

Shanna:                                                So I tell people all the time when someone says something that doesn't feel resonant for you, you just intentionally send that energy back to them. This is something they need to work on within themselves and kind of make peace with within themselves. And you do it with love. Because again, if you've ever had the experience, which I think all of us have in one area of our life or another at one time or another of riding the merry go round, it's not fun, and it is frustrating, and it does make you annoyed, and it does make you lash out because you just can't figure out how to have it be anything else than what it is. And so I just send out the intention of love and compassion and prayer that they find the tools to get off the merry go round, because they won't be seeing life the way they're seeing it anymore.

Brigit:                                                Oh, that's gold right there, because the naysayers, the big branches and so on, can often be what get people unstuck, entrepreneurs. It's scary. It can be a little bit scary out there, but to meet that with love and compassion, and to see it as the other person's experience as separate to your experience, and you own your experience by your own very experience, that's very empowering. Even just energetically, I can kind of feel the muck just falling off, "It's not mine. It's not mine." It's brilliant.

Shanna:                                                Yeah.

Brigit:                                                Love it.

Shanna:                                                Yeah.

Brigit:                                                Beautiful. Oh, Shanna Lee, I've loved talking with you today. It's been such an enjoyable conversation. Where can people find out more about you?

Shanna:                                                They can go to thesoulfrequency.com. That's our hub where our blog is, and we also have a podcast called The Soul Frequency Show where we talk about a lot of these subjects, and I'm on Instagram at thesoulfrequency.

Brigit:                                                Fantastic. All right, thank you so much for your time and energy today. I really appreciate it.

Shanna:                                                Thank you. It's been fun.

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